I'm building a pic programmer and i've two troubles: 1) How can i identify if a Pic or any other known chip is not correctly placed in the zif socket (i.e. reversed or completly not in the socket)? 2) How about the code protection on the 16F84?? Is better than the one on the C84? How much better? (ok..ok..this isn't so related to the programmer :-) ) -- - *Alex* - (azummo@ita.flashnet.it)