For the tiny fraction of PICers (according to Microchip) that use Macs, Tropic Systems makes a package called Electronic Symbol Library that works with Canvas or MacDraw. It has the complete set of IEEE 315 and 315A symbols. Each symbol is a separately editable object. Makes very nice looking schematics. I think it cost me about $75 five years ago. Their address is: Tropic Systems 12319 SW 132 Ct., 2nd Fl. Miami FL 33186 305-251-7644 voice 305-251-9931 fax I don't own stock; just a satisfied customer. Reg Neale