Andrew Mayo wrote: > The interest in Europe regarding PIC code protection defeating is > largely due to the use of these chips in satellite scrambling systems. > There is a thriving black market in smartcards which defeat the > encryption systems. AFAIK, the PIC was never used in any original satellite descrambler or smartcard. It was designed into some of the pirate smartcards. The interest in defeating the PIC16C84 code protection was from people who thought it would be easier to copy a pirate smartcard than reverse-engineer the real (original) smartcard. The processor of choice for new pirate stuff seems to be the Dallas DS5000, which is designed to be very secure. I haven't heard whether anyone has figured out how to dump the memory of the Dallas part. > Why they bother, I can't imagine. Its only 500 > channels of utter crap, anyway, but that's human nature for you..... > What these minds could do in solving the world's *real* problems (sigh!) Typically the people who do the reverse-engineering aren't the same people who spend eight hours a day watching television. It is done by people who notice the large revenue stream from that group, and want to divert some of it into their own pockets. There is enough potential revenue that the pirates are willing to spend the money for some very heavy-duty reverse- engineering, including microprobing. Note that I don't condone any of this. And I personally don't have time to watch more than two hours of TV a week (Babylon 5, The Simpsons, and King of the Hill). I've got a big pile of Sony audio and video gear, and I've gotten really fed up with the fact that the volume control buttons on all the remotes send volume commands with the TV device code, not to the receiver/preamp. The speakers on my TV aren't even enabled. I've hacked some PIC code to receive the IR, decode the TV volume commands, change the device code, and forward them via Control-S to my preamp. Cheers, Eric