On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:33:10 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In a message dated 15/12/97 20:52:46, you write: >> >><< >> The open-collector output pins (e.g. RA4 on 16C84) are not clamped to VDD, >> and can safely take a voltage above VDD; one of the Microchip guys quoted >> 14 volts. >> >>As this pin doubles as the Vpp does this not force the pic into program mode >>at 13v and stop program opperation if so it would be unwise to use this pin in >>this mode of opperation unless you want to write self modifing code ??? > >I'll have to double check, but I'm positive that the VPP pin / program mode >pin is MCLR, not RA4. As far as RA4 and higher voltages is concerned, a >Microchip FAE has repeatedly told me that it is OK up to about 14 Vdc. I think the reason RA4 hasn't got a diode is that a high voltage input is used for factory testing. I'd be wary about using it at >Vdd in a product, as it's an undocumented feature, which might flip the chip into some funny mode! ____ ____ _/ L_/ Mike Harrison / White Wing Logic / wwl@netcomuk.co.uk _/ L_/ _/ W_/ Hardware & Software design / PCB Design / Consultancy _/ W_/ /_W_/ Industrial / Computer Peripherals / Hazardous Area /_W_/