I remember reading somewhere that a few of the early tube-type computers of the 1950's used CRT's as ram devices. The method for storing and reading the display involved bouncing electrons off the phosphor as described for storage tube monitors. I believe that the devices had to be refreshed just like dynamic RAM every so often to keep them from fading. This topic also reminds me of a project I started on around 1980 that I never really carried to any useful conclusion. I wanted to build a circuit to let a person who is blind analyze a wave form. Those of us with no usable vision have no use for scopes at all, but we sure appreciate what they do. What I did was to use a CD4016 or CD4066 FET switch chip as a means to create a stroboscope for gating an input signal. The gating circuit consisted of a variable frequency oscillator feeding a 74-121 one-shot which strobed the FET switch. If one connected an audio amplifier to the output of the CD4016, the pulses could be heard as ticks or a buzz if the strobing was at a high enough rate. If the test signal was a square wave, and the gating frequency was at or about the same frequency as the test signal, then one could hear a distinct change depending upon whether the strobe happened to sample the square wave on the positive or negative half of the cycle. If the signal was a single-ended output such as from a logic device, then the buzz would appear and disappear as the sample caught the 5-volt portion or the 0-volt portion of the wave. Sine waves would present a buzz that gently varied from a peak to a null and then to a peak again. The 74-121 one-shot had to be configured to produce a pulse that was long enough to be heard as a pop, but not so long as to ruin resolution. What I could have done to turn this in to something was to use the sampler circuit to charge a capacitor and then use that voltage via an op amp to drive a voltage controlled oscillator to make a sort of graphical representation of voltage level and polarity, but I got involved in other things like computers. Nowadays, this idea is made a bit easier. I dare say that somebody has almost done all the work. The P.C. sound cards can sample at 44.1 KHZ rates and one can do anything to the raw data after they are stored so this is much more manageable than my old circuit would have been. I assume that sound cards have Nyquist filtering built in so that and the aliasing question probably means that one would have to be very creative to handle frequencies above 44 KHZ, but the neat thing is that sound cards are everywhere and relatively cheap. I apologize for the length of this message, but I enjoy reading similar postings from others. There might even be some PIC projects come from some of the ideas. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK 36.7N97.4W OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group