I doubt that the knowledgeable people in this list find shoplifting the best way to spend their time, and even if that was the purpose for this discussion, it is still within the topic of this list (well, as close as it seems to get, anyway! :-I). Regards, Glenn Sweden Isn't a somewhat safer approach to hand the item to the person sitting near a machine with lots of buttons on top and a money drawer underneath? Prefer- ably with a bribe in an amount typically marked on the item in question? I have found this approach to be 99.9% reliable in ensuring that the alarm does not go off, and I have also found the store personnel to be quite friendly and apologetic on those occasions when the alarm has tripped. While your approach might have similar reliability at avoiding the alarms, I doubt the personnel would be as friendly on those occasions when the alarm sounds.