It made me think - why wait for white LEDs? Very small fluorescent tubes are available now, are more efficient than incandescent lamps, and have a long life. They're high voltage devices, and not at all directional, though, leaving them out of some applications where LEDs would be especially suitable. There's a web page somewhere that opines that the brightest white LED currently available is only as part of one of those "keychain" lights (sold by gateway and perhaps others.) The smallest tube available seems to be 150mm (6 inches) long and rated at 4 watts. There is one in the Maplin catalogue; since it only costs UKP 5 (8$), I bought one. Those are commercial fluorescents aimed at lighting. There are smaller "cold cathod fluorescent lights" aimed at backlighting in laptops and such. A typical tube is about 1/8 inch diameter, and can range from 1 inch to about 8 inches long (the longer ones look very fragile.) You can sometimes find similar lamps intended for solar-powered lawn lights and such - it's not cheap anymore, though... Size is 160 x 40 x 38mm. It runs on 4 AA cells, and takes 0.4 amps, so the wattage is 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 watts. The 4 watt tube is therefore under-run. These tubes need a high voltage, so the 6 volts DC is "chopped" into AC by a transistor, and then stepped-up with a small transformer. Inside, there is about 60 pence (1$) worth of parts. It is very cheaply done, with no attempt at regulation (there could be, with better electronics); the tube starts glowing with a 3-volt supply, and gets brighter as the voltage increases; I stopped testing at 7.5 volts. Thanks to laptops, there's a lot of interest in high efficiency power supplies for CCFL tubes, with dimming capabilities and so on. Check out Linear Technology's web page - they think they have assorted patents on some of the technology. The tiny AMLCD screens that hit the surplus market over here a couple months back came with equally tiny CCFL backlights (about 1x1x.5 inch) - designed to run off 5V if provided with a periodic 15 uS pulse or somesuch if I read the skimpy datasheet right (ie they contained a power mosfet and a big inductor.) My immediate reaction was to drive them with a PIC (actually a basic stamp), since that's about the most convenient "pulse generator" I've got... (there! Now it's PIC related!) BillW