I thought OT in square brackets was the answer,,, course almost 1/2 the ot filter seems to have more to do with the pic list than the pic list. So,,, I vote for [OT] for off topic subjects and a stronger hand in the list management,,, and no,,, I really don't have time either ;-) 40 meg for 9 bucks,,, what, no one can read? suggested retail is about US 9 for the media,,, the drive will be retail somewhere around US 200 with estimated discounts to about US 100. So,,, maby US 110 when the new wears off. OEM pricing was not discussed. Just use the web page from a couple of days back,,, I didn't even bookmark it,,, sorryboutthat follow the links,,, makes me feel like a supergeek, haveing to give web lessions to the PIC LIST. (it's a joke!!!) OhWell,,, I get enough free $$ on the web spam a bit of flame will never be noticed. All said,,, a good list, maby a bit more management or commitment from us,, the users to make it more manageable. 'Grif' N7IVS