I use this one. Transparent to the PC software.... http://www.usdigital.com/products/ad2a/ ---------------- (2) Somebody on the list recently indicated that it was easy to convert from RS232 to RS485, I have no problem at the PIC level but without purchasing an expensive RS485 Card for my PC which is intended to be the master controller in a multi-drop system I am having difficulty in enabling the RS485 driver from a standard PC RS232 port while transmitting and then disabling the driver and still be able to listen for a reply on the PC port. Thanks in anticipation Pat Hanson