Please guys.. Could you start another discussion list about the 'sues' please.. I am quite new around here, and all I have to do is delete mail about this American Hobby of sueing.. Or, give me (I am new.. ) a quick means of filtering out messages about this subject. Of course there is an easy way ( I am using Netscape, recent version), but reading all this sueing stuff leaves me no time to find out myself. Thanks for the help, but the suggestion remains: start another discussion list ! Wim. Andrew Warren wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > 5473758: System having input output pins shifting between > > > programming mode and normal mode to program memory > > > without dedicating input output pins for > > > programming mode > > > > this is weird... EPROM have been out for a while and it seems to me > > that the above description exactly matches the programming method > > for EPROMs! (yes I know Eproms have a Vpp pin, but just call it > > RESET...) > > Luigi: > > Read the patent before jumping to conclusions. > > The patent specifically claims a means by which the chip is > programmed with FEWER PINS than the width of each memory cell... Here > are some selected quotes from the Background and Summary sections of > the patent: > > "It is a principal object of the present invention to provide > apparatus and method which permits the use of 14-bit instruction > words despite the presence of only 12 I/O pins in the > microcontroller.", > > ".... Another object of the invention is to provide a > semiconductor device which may be programmed while in circuit > without the need for additional pins relative to those utilized > for the normal circuit or system operating mode. > > "A further object of the invention is to provide a > microcontroller device which may be user-programmed while > embedded in the system which is to undergo control.", and > > "According to another significant aspect of teh invention, the > microcontroller is provided with a serial-parallel interface > between the I/O ports and the program memory, to allow both > serial and parallel programming of the device." > > As I said in my original message in this thread, though, Microchip > may have some problems with this particular patent... Two of its ten > claims relate directly to the use of EPROM memory (the SX chip uses > flash of some sort), one of the claims (and portions of two others) > relates to the suppresion of disturbances caused by the high > voltages associated with EPROM programming, a couple others involve > implementation issues (latches between the pins and the memory) that > might be worked around, and there's always the dim possibility that > Scenix might be able to show prior art for the other claims. > > This particular patent, though, seems to be the weakest of the six > that Microchip is suing over... Even if the case goes to trial and > this one's invalidated, the others will probably (in my opinion > as a non-lawyer) stand up. > > -Andy > > === Andrew Warren - fastfwd@ix.netcom.com > === Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California > === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499