Andy, Who do you use for getting Microchip products? On the PicMaster CE, I called Pioneer-Standard, they called Microchip, and Microchip said "Hey, that's for the European Union". Pioneer is checking again, but thought they could not get it. Who actually carries it? Thanks John C. John A. Craft (601)689-8103 Vo ice Sr. Systems Analyst / Vice President (601)689-8130 Fax Nation Computer Services, Inc. http://www.ncs-ssc.com MSAAP Bldg 9110 craft@ncs-ssc.com Stennis Space Center, MS 39529