Sorry about this, I replied to this note and it didn't get sent to the list. Sorry for yet another review of cheap Schematic Capture/Board Layout Tools. myke >OK, so what do *you* use? For the most part, I have been using Easytrax (ie the raw card designs in my book were done with Easytrax). There's a bit of a learning curve and for anything other than a single PIC design I wouldn't recommend it. I have a license for Ulti-board, it was "okay" for DOS Command Line Execution, but I have recently gotten the Windows version (came available in August) and I haven't used it yet. The DOS Command Line Version could not print on my HP-600 DeskJet, so I didn't really use a lot other than playing around with it. I haven't seen any problems with it as yet. I have also tried another cheap ($100) layout tool called "QCAD" from a company here in Toronto and I ended up deleting it because it did not do what the company said it could do and I ended up having to create a number of libraries and there was an awful lot of playing around with it to get the autorouter to work properly. They were also *really* not interested in supporting it. myke Check out "Programming and Customizing the PIC Microcontroller" at: http://www.myke.com