Let me echo Andy Tucker a bit stronger. GO TO SKYCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Orlando, FL) I-4, Fairbanks exit East directly off of the Interstate. Look for the "space rocket" out front! They have all kinds of surplus. You can come out with all kinds of stuff and still be within just about anybody's budget. However, every time you go they have different stuff. Sometimes you get BIG wins! (I got a 40x4 LCD with controllers for $2.00 last time I went!!!!!!!!!) They also have a lot of new ICs, but the prices on those aren't very good, but I don't have to pay shipping for them either. HTH, Alan G. Smith --------------------------------------------------------- | Alan G. Smith | ags@poboxes.com | http://www.innovatus.com/ags