This problem with pins on an 84 gave me same trouble some time ago ! However the soulition followed. 1 x HC138 4 x HC244 4 x HC374 1 x LM016 30 outputs 30 inputs RS line and a beeper in a latch and two buttons. Started life as a box to test the integerty of multicore cables but now does lots more with the addition of relays ect. If anybody is instrested in my boring but useful hardware I will try and convert Orcad file to GIF or somthing and send it. Cheers Steve.....