Appreciate all the PIC listers that take the time to give answers on this PIC list. I've been looking for an in-ckt programmer(ICP) that has these requirements: 1. 16X84 only is OK 2. diode & resistor for MCLR to Vdd OK 3. Compatible with all or most PC computers ie 12 to 14V Vpp 4. Program & Go ie. no manual switches or cable to unplug. 5. Compatible with PIP02 software 6. Prefer Serial PC port but Parallel OK Looks like PIP02 is a good program with plenty of device drivers. Does anybody know which programmer the "Compic1" device driver uses? It is listed as one of the PIP02 drivers. Looks like the P16PRO might have the features I want but can't determine PIP02 compatability or if it will program & go without a MCLR. Would like to buy PC board but schematic OK.