Ok, I am looking into the world of electronics and I really like doing this sort of stuff. Let me warn you...I'm only 16 and you're probably thinking I should have some socializing to do or something, but...well you get the point. I have purchased a basic stamp and constructed the programming mechanism for it and have built several of the application note projects as well as some of my own. This included the serial A/D which I was very proud of because I interfaced it to my calculator (HP 48G) (sorry about that, I just had to tell someone about that who might somewhat appreciate it). Anyway, I have been looking at other microcontolers, and I have been thinking about purchasing a pic programmer. If I do get one, what would you guys (and gals, gotta be P.C.) recommend that I get, I have been searching around web sites, and I found some good stuff at ITU technologies, one of them being a "Warp 3" programmer that claims to program everything (for around $130) and a less expensive one that doesn't program those exotic ones like the 14000 and what-not ($50). Any hoo, I was also wondering, do all of the pics have a serial out command (like pbasic's serout), because if I get the cheaper one, it will only program 18 pin chips, which according to Digi-Key, none of them include these serial features. I HAVE to have that feature. Digi-Key is real vague with some of these things if you know what I mean. Then once I get a programmer, what pic should I use? I am somewhat attracted to the ones with the A/D converters on them just because I use a lot of sensors in my projects (I.E. hall effect transducers, mics, this neat-o thing called a pulse amplifier, I rigged up one of the school's pH probe to my calc set up, etc.). Well, as seasoned picers I'm sure you might have a little advice and I would appreciate any of it. sicerely Jonathan