I have not found any information about the voltage and current that is needed to program 16x84. We have made some prommers who work fine, but in the next version we need more accurate information, because we are going to make either RS232 or battery powered of it. What we know already is that RS232 voltages are enough in most PC's but not in the portables. With minor modifications to Ludi prommer we could possibly make it more reliable but we don't want to modify programs. So, if you have the exact figures, we'll be interested. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PTM, pasi.mustalahti@utu.fi, ptmusta@utu.fi, http://www.utu.fi/~ptmusta Lab.ins. (mikrotuki) ATK-keskus/Mat.Luon.Tdk OH1HEK Lab.engineer (PC support) Computer Center OI7234 Mail: Turun Yliopisto / Fysla, Vesilinnantie 5, 20014 Pt 02-3336669, FAX 02-3335632 (Pk 02-2387010, NMT 049-555577) --------------------------------------------------------------------------