Martin R. Green wrote: > I sidestepped the oscillator problem when breadboarding a design by using a > canned oscillator instead of a crystal. I have successfully run PIC's at > 20MHz on one of those white breadboards that normally have too much > capacitance between pin rows to allow a crystal oscillator to run properly... I use those breadboards all the time at 20 MHz and down. I've never had a problem ever with any PIC chip not running just fine. You need neat technique, a good power supply (although I regularly use batteries), supply bypassing, and a 0.1 uFd cap across the chip for fast chips. I also sometimes put in some load caps, but only to get the frequency right. Now, sometimes the thing won't seem like it's going, but the truth is hard: it's always been a layout or circuit or software bug. Every single chip I've ever touched worked just fine, even the ones I plugged in backwards. The only PIC chip I screwed up was with the programmer, and that was by setting the CP bits by choosing the wrong chip type. Check your layout; simplify the circuit to test it; check the power supply and bypassing; use a good cheap crystal from Digi-Key. It'll work. --Tom Rogers VP-R&D Time Tech Inc.