By a strange coincidence, that's what I'm using now until the 4 MHz parallel xtals arrive. Works fine, but I don't think my RS-232 routine are going to work very well until with this xtal. >SAVE your money......trash som old telephone or somthing like it, most of >them >who can TX DTMF tones containes a 3.57 MHz crystal witch wiil soot your >purpose!! > >> I just got my PIC programmer (EPIC Plus - part of MicroEngineering Labs' >> PicBasic Compiler Bundle) and I'm about to order some crystals for my >PICS >> (16F84 to start - others later). I'm guessing that the 4 MHz _PARALLEL_ >> crystals in the DigiView catalog will do the trick and that the _serial_ >> crystals won't.