Wall warts are indeed an economical supply for many projects, but I have so many of them in behind my stereo stand (and of course, they are too wide for one slot on the power bar), that they almost take up more space than the equipment they power. I realize they eliminate the designer's need to get safety approval for their hardware, and sometimes the device being powered is just too small for an internal P/S, but why doesn't someone sell reasonably priced "enclosed" PSU's that can be designed into the case of the equipment being powered. This strategy allows devices to get automatic approval for telephone devices by using a pre-packaged and approved interface module. Why not pre-approved simple PSU's. And I am not talking about those commercial/industrial regulated supply modules that cost more than the project. Something unregulated, maybe even unrectified or filtered. And if the AC connection is the issue for safety, a power cord could be 'moulded' in, or the module could be designed to mount on the rear panel of the project, with an AC receptacle (2 or 3 pin) and maybe a fuse socket exposed on the back. Just my opinion, excuse the rant. Martin R. Green elimar@bigfoot.com ---------- From: Harold Hallikainen[SMTP:haroldhallikainen@JUNO.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 4:09 PM To: PICLIST@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Re: PIC power supply ... I think a "wall wart" is a very inexpensive way of getting power for a PIC. I've now got several products that use a 12V, 500mA unit driving a 7805 regulator. I think the wall warts are about $5 or less in reasonable quantities. If you can put up with a nonisolated supply, consider the Maxim MAX600, 601, 602, 610, 611, 612. Info should be available at http://www.maxim-ic.com . Harold