Of course, parallax's involvement makes one immediately aware of how nice something like a basic-stamp 2 would be with a 50MIPs core instead of the current PIC... Has there been discussion on the stamp list? As processors get faster in general, applications DON'T get faster, they just get more complex. The number of cycles wasted doing GUI interfaces is simply astounding, and a 4MHz Z80 with memory mapped text display and WordStar is hard to match, speedwise, with a modern wysiwyg multifont multwindow bitmapped display... BillW