I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_ everything (up to 48 pins without adapters). Runs off a PC parallel port (very portable, no cards inside PC). This devices uses highly reliable "family modules" to keep the cost down (true universal programmers are >$1000). Note that PIC's and 68HCxx devices are not supported with the three base modules supplied with the programmer, but additional modules are only $25 USD. I am very happy with it. I bought my locally in the Toronto Canada area, but you can buy direct from Needham's if you can't find it near you. http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams/ CIAO - Martin R. Green elimar@bigfoot.com PS. Needham's have just released the EMP30, more devices, more pins without adapters, but I think the EMP20 will fill your needs perfectly. PPS. Needham's also have an EMP10 economy programmer, but it can only support the PIC16C5x devices and only Lattice 22v10 GAL's (no other brands), to name a few limitations. ---------- From: Rob Zitka[SMTP:robzs@HICOM.NET] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:06 AM To: PICLIST@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: A programmer question Hi fellow PICers Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and PIC chips? Thank you Rob