Do yourself a favor and get the latest edition of "The Art of Electronics" by Horowitz and Hill. It's generally considered by most of us to be the pre-eminient book on practical electronic design that's currently available. It should be widely available...I got mine (5 copies so far? I keep giving them to people..) at Powell's Technical Books (http://www.powells.portland.or.us). I was very disappointed with the way that electronics is taught at the university level. It really bears very little on what working engineers need to know, and the laughable idea that you're going to look up the h-parameters of a part for design is just silly! For one thing, you can't count on those numbers! Yes, they'll give you a "typical" value, but over a spread of manufactured units, they're of little more than order-of-magnitude use. A simple test; design your circuit, then ask yourself what happens if all the resistor values get changed by a factor of 10. Oops..loaded a 1K where 100 ohms should go.....does it still work? If not, why not? Try it several ways, with the idea that if any part "makes a difference" if you push its value around, then you need to think about *why* that makes a difference and see if you can reduce its effect. You won't end up with a highly-optimized circuit, but that's not really what we want out here in the real world. When I'm designing discrete-component circuitry, one of my main concerns is what parts I'm already using elsewhere on the board. If I *have* 180 ohm resistors already, I'm going to use them everywhere I *can*, even if a proper design would call for 220 or 270 ohms. Sure, it's not optimum, but if it works and it minimizes the number of reels I have to kit up and load on the SMT placement machine, that counts for more than a perfectly-centered output voltage. When I finish a design, the first thing I do is to run a parts list, line up all the resistor values and see how many I can condense into a single value. Sometimes I'll use a high-precision part in a low-precision application, because I *have* to use it in one spot, and it costs more to use a 5% part if I have to load a reel of them separately. Not to mention the risk that the assembly guys will put the *wrong reel* on, and lay down 5% parts where I *must* have a 0.1% part. I generally avoid such parts, but there are a few places (Ethernet filter tuning and such) where the manufacturers of the ICs specify what should be used and how. My point is, what they teach you in school doesn't really have much to do with designing products. If you get the chance, work in the repair business for a while. You'll get to see everybody's mistakes, and learn how to do things right by seeing what doesn't work. Do some interning in manufacturing engineering or test engineering; they're traditionally considered 'boring' or 'unglamorous', but you'll be a much better designer for having the experience. Those areas of electronics don't pay as well, but you'll learn a lot that will make your products work right and be easy to build. That leads to profits and success, which is part of why we're all doing this! Mark G. Forbes, R & D Engineer | Acres Gaming, Inc. (541) 766-2515 KC7LZD | 815 NW 9th Street (541) 753-7524 fax forbesm@peak.org | Corvallis, OR 97330 http://www.peak.org/~forbesm mforbes@hq.acresgaming.com "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." ---Anomalous