At 09:46 PM 8/14/97 +0000, you wrote:

>        Actually, this thread simply proves my point.  :)

Bollocks (:o)

We wouldn't have the original trigger if the sig was automatically in
place (Though this assumes that people have the presence of mind to
actually read a nice short to the point sig OR click on it to unsubscribe).

>        The original 'stop the world I want to get off' message was the
>        first in a couple of weeks, and was about a dozen lines.  It's
>        generated a dozen responses so far (none of which actually told
>        the original poster how to unsubscribe, so much for everybody
>        putting helpful hints in their sigs) and each of which was larger
>        than the original post.

Yes. I agree - so why didn't you ? Your raisins got chewed up.

>        If we all just ignored the post, or pressed the replybot button
>        to send the poster some useful directions in private email, we
>        would have saved ten times the bandwidth originally wasted.

This is human nature - nothing will regulate that - you can reduce the
potential for exageration by sound pre-emptive management by putting
a simple - even ONE line unsubscribe message/link - heck even I've
forgotten, so of the 1350 people on this list I may not be the only one
who could use it - besides the person wishing to unsubscribe.

>PS:     Mike, don't ignore the objections raised by the DIGEST users
>        to the 10% increase in average message size caused by the
>        repetitious unsubscribe appendage.

Where did you get 10% from - Eh ?

Well heck make it a ONE LINER - is that too much ?

OR why can't the list server ONLY put unsubscribe messages to individual
posts - that would fix it and make everyone happy - OR are you going to
make up more numbers to try and argue against speculative improvement
which is what I thought PIC programmers were famous for ?!?

I'm on several technical lists - the quietest best run HAVE the unsubscribe
signature appended by the list server. Now this list is likely to have
more subscribers - are you saying we should _hope_ things improve or
are you in politics or aromatherapy ?

>        ...and my rubbish is not plain!  It has raisins in it.

Next time Bob - give it a chance to germinate but, then again raisins
are dried up dead grapes - so just add it to the compost ;)

Rgds

mike
Perth, Western Australia