My programmers at http://www.ebar.dtu.dk/~c888600/newpic0.htm are more simple than LudiPipo. 2 Resistors, 1 transistor, 1 zener and one electrolyt. It works with 7m cable and has higher programming voltage than LudiPipo. I use it with PIX or PIP02. Regards, Jens Dyekjfr Madsen