Chris Cook wrote: snip--- > the pic yet I was wondering if anyone has one of those basic complier > programs where you program your pic in basic like the basic stamp. ( a > program which converts basic into object code) snip--- Send a blank message to mailto:basics@dontronics.com for basic language details. Send a blank message to mailto:siclub@dontronics.com for siclub details. This will give you most of the information and pointers that you need. Don McKenzie mailto:don@dontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com SimmStick(tm) Atmel & PIC proto PCB's. 30 pin Simm Module Format. SLI, the serial LCD that auto detects baud rates from 100 to 125K bps. Send a blank message to mailto:info@dontronics.com for more details.