Okay, I'm sorry, The AMD186ED is at least $20. The 186's for $10 have no PIO's and no async. serial ports. It appears that the whole line is not cost effective unless a lot of processing is requires, or perhaps a lot of quick RAM. ___________________________________________________________________________ Garrick Kremesec | "There is no witness so dreadful, no University of Illinois U/C | accuser so terrible as the conscience http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~gkremese | that dwells in the heart of every gkremese@uiuc.edu | man." - Polybius