Hi all, Sorry for slightly off topic - but it might be of use to others also. I need to read 4 voltages at 60Hz and I need the true RMS value. I know that I could use a true RMS detector/converter by Analog devices, but these are just too expensive - any others around in small DIP packages ? OR Is there some 'appropriate arrangement' of LM324 or similar opamps that might provide this conversion for frequencies around 50 to 60Hz ? Any ideas ? Rdgs mike Perth, Western Australia