Hi All PICers ! I use OrCad since 198?, now I use orcad SDT386+ (DOS) and sometimes OrCad Capture for Windows (6.0). OrCad is execlent! But I not use the PCB package - for this I use Master Designer (P-CAD) /4.5 and 8.5 version/ Its very easy to generate pcadnlt-format netlist from OrCad and then use p-cad's router and pcb-editor (pccards). Best Wishes, Alex Torres. Kharkov, Ukraine, exUSSR. E-Mail To : altor@cook.kharkov.ua via InterNet or 2:461/28 via FidoNet --- GoldED 2.50.A0531+