---------- > I need to program PICs (558) for small (30 units) production run. What > is the problem with using Picstart programmer for this purpose? > Microchip told me it's not recommended. > > Gennady Palitsky This programmer doesn't verify the programmed part at the specified maximum and minimum VDD voltages. Verfication at VDD min guarantees good erase margin and verification at VDD max guarantees good program margin. My guess is that if you can guarantee that in your circuit that VDD is maintained near the middle of the spec for this part (3.0V to 5.5V for the XT,RC, LP osc configurations and 4.5V to 5.5V for the HS osc configuration) you might be ok. If not you might find a few of the units might not read memory properly near the temperature extremes for your parts (commercial range is 0 C to 70 C). See the PIC16/17 microcontroller data book for 1996/1997 pp. 6-50, 6-51 and pp. 17-37 thru 17-48 for more information. Probably most people's experience on this list is that it won't matter under most "typical" conditions. -Steve Henry.