At 11:02 PM 7/5/97 EDT, you wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:50:03 +0200 Eric van Es >writes: >>I go through old Everyday with Electronics mags every now and then. I >>think I saw a article in one of the 1996 issues that went on about >>location-sensing with inductive loops. I'm sorry that I can't be more >>specific about which issue it was, but it sounded much like what you >>want. >> >>good luck! >> > > > Thanks for the responses... Guess I didn't make the requirements >clear. What we're trying to do is make a very small transmitter and a >very small receiver. The receiver needs to let us know if the >transmitter is "out of range" (about 10 feet away). Distance itself is >pretty noncritical. since this is a very short distance for RF, I was >thinking I could just do a damped sine wave generator by stepping a PIC >output from 0 to 5 volts or back. This output would probably drive a >series LC tuned to some RF frequency (as allowed by part 15 of the FCC >rules for unlicensed devices). The idea is that at the resonant >frequency there would be a high circulating current in the LC, causing >radiation from the L as the current decays due to losses. We're kinda >pulling an RF harmonic off the step waveform. > That's kinda what I have in mind for the transmitter. For the >receiver, another LC driving something. Perhaps a current input type RF >amplifier. The L would again serve as the receive antenna. The RF amp >would drive some sort of detector which would drive the receiving PIC >where some coding would identify the unique transmitter. this is a >little like keyless entry stuff. Could also use "transponder" >technology, but it seems that a separate transmitter and a separate >receiver is more cost effective here since they would always be sold as >pairs. I think transponders are typically used where there a bunch of >real cheap transponders and a few relatively expensive units for polling >them (like theft prevention tag systems). > So... anyone have some ideas in this area? Cost is very >critical, but if we are only transmitting a few feet, it doesn't seem >that we should have to go to triple conversion superhet receiver design! > >Harold > It sounds a lot like an electronic (invisible, RF) pet fence to me. You might want to buy one at any pet supply shop and reverse engineer it. Such a fence is a transmitter emitting a low frequency (~150KHz) and when the dog gets within a few feet of a wire buried in the ground around the perimeter of the property, the dog gets a shock from a receiver in his collar. Please forgive me if I tell you something you already know, but many people on the piclist are foreigners and may not be familiar with such devices. :-) I have designed a proximity detector (capacitance sensing) for a client, but it only has a range of a few inches (all the application needs). BTW I also have an electronic security device that is a keyring receiver that beeps if my briefcase gets more than a few feet away. You can buy a similar device at a baby supply store to alert you if your child gets away from you while you are looking away. They can't be expensive. I hope this gives you some ideas.