Time for my two cents' worth. I use Warp at work, and it does work pretty well, and you are programming in real VHDL, which is something worth learning(read: useful job skill). Lately I've been writing VHDL with Cypress flash CPLDs as the target. The CY7C370i series of CPLDs have large(up to 134 active pins) groups of 22v10-like macrocells with a programmable interconnect. They are fast devices, don't use too much power, are relatively inexpensive, and are In-Cicuit-Reprogrammable using the Cypress ISR cable. Warp and the ISR cable are available together from Cypress for $195 right now, and come with a few of the chips(not the biggest ones). I'm sure if you look at www.cypress.com you'll be able to get details. They've been real nice to me. Warp will also compile for 22v10 and a couple other SPLDs, though the ISR cable won't program them. -Bob http://www.bobblick.com/