Jim, My Parallax programmer has 4.00 MHz resonator. The long and short of it is: For non-production or non-critical applications up to about 4MHz (5MHz works) you can get away with using an RC in place of an XT. Andy ====================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 USA Electronics for Industry & R/C Hobbyists "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ======================================================================