Greetings to the list, I'm new to these PIC things .. years and years of experience beating 68HC11's and '332s into shape though. Past experience has told me to look to the experts for initial advice when starting out on new ventures ... So ... Has anybody tried the Dunfield C-Flea compiler? I know their HC11 compiler is like fairly well. I think most of my programming will be assembler, however, to use the larger parts C might be nice. Also, does anybody have an opinion on the EPIC pocket programmer from microEngineering Labs? Seems inexpensive and will burn the parts I'm initially interested in. I take this list in digest format so my response will be delayed. Thanks, Tom Hoover Software Grunt, CSQE #330 Telepath Instruments 221 South Yorkshire Street Salem, Virginia 24175