I've been using the CAD system from Advanced Microcomputer Systems in Florida for at least ten years. I've done lots of designs with it and am quite satisfied. It includes schematic capture through board layout. They have a web site with demo software, but I don't recall the URL right now. Try a search and you'll find them. Harold Harold Hallikainen phone/fax/bbs +1 805 541 0201 Hallikainen & Friends, Inc. web http://slonet.org/~hhallika PO Box 4737 email hhallika@slonet.org San Luis Obispo, CA 93403-4737 email hhallika@broadcast.net USA email ap621@cleveland.freenet.edu