I have a lot of fun creating PCBs in Protel, printing them on gel paper (toner transfer system, available form DigiKey) applying them to PCB material (double-sided) that I get for free (scraps) from a local PCB vendor and etching them with ferric chloride. All depends on how fast a turn-around you want and what your time is worth to you. I make my own PCBs while designing for customers until the final version. Gus Calabrese -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WFT Electronics wft@frii.com http://www.frii.com/~wft Gus Calabrese 303 321-1119......voicemail Lola Montes 1799 Uinta Street Denver, CO 80220 EMERGENCY: 791 High Street Estes Park, CO 80517 if no success with wft@frii.com, try .... wft@bigfoot.com