Have you got a MicroChip PICSTART Programmer but can't program the newer devices, and those really cool 8 pin jobs? Hate the lack of a really good user Interface? Or maybe you have a Newfound Warp-3 or PP1 Programmer and having the same frustrations with the new devices. Jim Robertson (Newfound Electronics) hasn't really been asleep. He has been hard at it and should have the binary files available for burning your own upgrades for PICSTART's, Warp-3's and PP1's in the next few weeks. Keep an eye on: http://www.dontronics.com/phoenix.html Warp-3 Beta version available right now. Don McKenzie don@dontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Send a blank message to help@dontronics.com for more info. SLI, the serial LCD that auto detects baud rates from 100 to 125K bps. SimmStick(tm) A PIC proto PCB the size of a 30 pin Simm Memory Module.