Yep, that's why its open drain. Must limit to +14V and if driving a relay, watch out for back EMF. Rgds, Brian. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Open drain Author: "Clewer;Brian" at Internet_Exchange Date: 4/16/97 4:07 PM Hi, If RA4 is open drain, can I put a higher voltage onto it to pull it up. Eg. can I use a 12V relay between +12V and RA4? Thanks for any help in advance, Brian.