>external xtal). It seems to run fine with no scope probe attached. Hopefully the production model comes without a scope attached . >How does one look at the xtal? I am using an ECS crystal from Digi-Key >#X-405-ND. The problem is due to the capacitance loading of the probe. Try a different probe for starters. If you really need to very oscillation, do it this way: -------| | P osc1 |------o--||---- GND I | | C | XTAL | | osc2 |------o--||---- GND | | -------| | +----|>o----TEST POINT This way, the xtal has a fixed extra load on the output (the logic inverter input), and you can check at the output of the gate with your probe to verify oscillation without adding a varying load. It matters which osc pin you use, too. FWIW, use this with a variable cap to be able to set yourself a deadly-accurate xtal frequency. You will see a square wave rather than a sine wave. Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================