At 08:02 AM 19/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >I've heard that Motorola has something called PIC killers, >or something similar. Anyone have info on this? they have MC68HC805K3 like K1 but EEPROM (~1K) I would not call that a killer. dont know if they are available or not at this time. Had bad luck with K1 so have decided to avoid Motorola if possible HC12 kills many things, but not cheap PIC's antti -- Silicon Studio Ltd. -- http://www.sistudio.com