The rate as discussed by you fellows my not seem viable in the USA, but considder the current favourable Rand/Dollar exchange rate plus the opportunity to actually do some real work on PICS. Currently the Rand/Dollar is about $1:R5.6 and that pretty much adds up to our "professional" hourly rate. Something to considder I'd say. You can actually buy "professional" services at a 'student' rate if you keep track of the international currencies. The average rate for 'Engineers' in South Africa is about R160.00 /h to R300.00 /h for software developers. Depending on the actual application you're talking about you can actually do quite well by contracting foreign developers. Best Regards Jattie van der Linde.