Hi Zack, 200 Lines deleted > I have followed this list now for a while and i must say that these people > replying is always the same old bunch and by now they think they are > experts > and if beginners ask questions they try always to let the beginners feel > stupid > for asking questions and the so called pro's does'nt even have constructive > answers. Well, how does it feel to be a so called pro of the old bunch who thinks he is an expert and has no constructive advice for beginners while letting them feel stupid. Welcome to the club. If you post to a controversial thread such as this one or some others then people sometimes think you are being elitist or something else that offends your sensibilities. You could of course find the postings by all of us who have replied to this thread that have belittled beginners with no constructive advice. I would be glad if you did, if I had slighted someone without noticing I would apologise. Just remember Zack, you are one of us now. My constructive advice to you is to lie low and not post to controversial threads for a little while. Also I could suggest that you do not requote the complete message so that everyone of the 1000+ PIClist subsribers gets a copy delivered to them again. A challenge to you Zack is to suggest what we of the old guard could do to help out the beginners without spoonfeeding them. Cheers -- Kalle Pihlajasaari kalle@ip.co.za http://www.ip.co.za/ip Interface Products P O Box 15775, DOORNFONTEIN, 2028, South Africa + 27 (11) 402-7750 Fax: 402-7751 http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle DonTronics, Silicon Studio and Wirz Electronics uP Product Dealer