John Dammeyer made some real good comments. I have one thing to add to his "PS" paragraph: "I got this SOFTWARE UPGRADE from the discount office supply store and fooled it into installing on my machine, because the upgrade is much cheaper than the non-upgrade product." This too is thievery. >When we 'knowingly' buy a product made by $2.00 per day labour we support >oppression. IMHO, when we _support_ $25/hr for short term, professional, >consulting when we all know the _real_ cost is far greater, we do the same. True. However, if I own the in-circuit emulator (I do) and compilers (I do) and PC (I do) and make a full time living doing this (I do), and I'm willing to work for $25 (nyet) and go out of business in a year (hopefully not), then: a) I have gotten what I deserve by bad business practices, and b) They have gotten what they deserve - a product without support. Who is the bigger loser? The guy who made his $25 an hour or the company that can't fix a problem in their gazillion pieces that they made? Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!" ==================================================================