Say, I'm trying to graduate from using RC timing in my PIC projects so I spent the last week working on a motor speed control program and circuit that is based around a 4MHz crystal. I must be missing some fundamental concept because with everything else the same, the circuit works with RC but not the crystal. Is there more to using a crystal than placing it between OSC1 and OSC2 and using two 15pF caps to ground? (incidentally I am using both a 54 and an F84) many thanks & best regards, Pete peter.cesarz@appl.ge.com