Not to mention a patent should be defensible before you bother to pay the many thousands it takes to get overall. A patent has to be NOVEL (IE unique) not just a different use of an idea. There is a light stick toy that's been out for many years, and you can bet they have a patent on the swinging lights if they were able. (Doubt it because I've seen the basic idea from the sign industry for quite a while.) Not that Bob's idea isn't very neat and a very good one, just all the individual parts have been done before, and that makes a patent almost impossible to defend. Not to mention you have to make a couple of million off of it before it was worthwhile. Besides ;) I have had a working system (running on a seagate hd platter and then a floppy drive motor, 3000+ rpm was too much for easily balancing a battery and pc board system) since last summer for strobing 24 led's on each blade of a RC helicopter. You should see what a five foot disk of 48 2000mcd leds look like flying around at night! Mike wrote: > > At 04:18 PM 12/03/97 +0000, you wrote: > >Maybe Bob should patent his clock before someone else starts > >marketing it ... > > Sadly - that won't stop anyone from making a profit from it AND sharing a > proportion of that profit with Bob.