I have a copy of P16PRO that was mentioned a while ago, I have check this out and the circuit that was included in the zip file is a PC printer port programmer, with only 5 connections to the PIC, Vss, Vdd, RB6, RB7 and MCLR. I have run the programming software that was with it and looked at the device list it includes the 54 and 52, I have not tried it out yet as I have not got around to building the hardware, should I bother or not. Ken. +-----------------------------+----------------------------------+ | ken hewitt | Email ken@welwyn.demon.co.uk | +-----------------------------+----------------------------------+