In a message dated 97-03-10 13:55:07 EST, you write: << Hey, all, I know this was already a discussion, but it was never answered to my satisfaction... I have a PIC based card here that doesn't go absolutely to 0 VDC when power is off... the PIC always screws up... Can someone PLEASE suggest a simple-reliable solution? Can microchip put a GND-shorting switch in their parts? >> why does'nt the VCC drop to zero? Are there large caps, batteries????? Need to know more. I built a circuit that had a problem powering up. If VCC rises to working voltage too slowly then, yes, the PIC can screw up. There is a simple fix in the data books (at least for the PIC1684). What voltage does the circuit drop to when off?? Could a couple of diode drops in series with the VCC supplying the PIC do the trick?? Tell me more Dave Duley V.P. DreiTek Inc