In message <2.2.32.19970304203359.0067635c@iper.net> PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU writes: > IS the old mpstart (first o second release) able to program > the 12cxx family ?? > Not as standard, but Jim Robertson's Phoenix upgrade to the PICStart 16B is supposed to do it via an adaptor. Check out the Newfound Electronics web site. Regards, Mike Watson