Hi Antti I see you have just replied too. When I program F84's I select 16F84 as the device & it works fine! Cheers Dennis ---------- > From: Antti Lukats > > no the driver is same, but you should select C84 as device I believe > let me know if it still does not work. > > thee 3FFF FF reading does not indicate OK, it just indicates no data > it may be balnk chip or no chip. > > antti > > > -- Silicon Studio Ltd. > -- http://www.sistudio.com