Hi Piclisters; This is the first time I have poked my nose in since I joined the list a month or so ago. Since I am new at PIC'in, have a copy of 'Easy Pic-n' and have just got my feet wet, I have a question about the programmer being marketed by Marlin Jones in Fla. by Charles Manning.(1996). Has anyone tried or used it. The syntax is different from what most of you use. Appreciate your comments. I reduced a 12 chip circuit to 3 chips with the Pic which I feel good about since I have been pushing the 12 in by hand by myself. Regards, Bill Merson Mersonbill@aol.com